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Re: OR Knx Interface design

2010-09-02T20:52:41Z

Hello Juha,
While trying to use the OR Boss 2.0, here is the situation:
I was able to design a simple UI with the online modeler. I downloaded it.
I launched successfully the controller with the terminal.
I uploaded successfully the openremote.zip on the controller.
When I launch the application on my phone, I have the following error message "Warning, please check that the iphone.xml file has been correctly deployed on the controller"
After OK, I'm going to the settings for an auto discovery.
The iPhone immediately finds the controller. After clinking "done", the application is definitely frozen.

You help will be once again appreciated

Thanks,

Nicolas

In reply to a comment by Juha Lindfors:

The KNX TODO list is basically to complete all the datapoint types included in the specification.

The order in which this happens depends a bit on user demand.

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Re: OR Knx 1.4.2 - Save & Restore

2010-09-02T09:00:56Z

Page commented by Nicolas THIBERT

Works fine. Excellent.
Thanks for your support

In reply to a comment by Jörg Falkenberg:

This is a Google problem. Please use the workaround described here: http://www.openremote.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=10551683

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Re: OR Knx 1.4.2 - Save & Restore

2010-09-02T08:20:25Z

Page commented by Jörg Falkenberg

This is a Google problem. Please use the workaround described here: http://www.openremote.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=10551683

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Re: OR Knx Interface design

2010-09-02T07:48:16Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

The KNX TODO list is basically to complete all the datapoint types included in the specification.

The order in which this happens depends a bit on user demand.

In reply to a comment by Nicolas THIBERT:

Hello Juha,

Waouh, what a velocity!.
Indeed, the UI customization available in the OR Boss 2.0 is exactly what I expect.
Where can I find the TODO list mentioned above?

I'll have a look to the OR Boss 2.0. I'm pretty interested in the IR and TCPIP protocols. Just have to find a way to install an IR on my iPhone

Thanks for the prompt answer.

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Re: OR Knx Interface design

2010-09-01T19:21:55Z

Page commented by Nicolas THIBERT

Hello Juha,

Waouh, what a velocity!.
Indeed, the UI customization available in the OR Boss 2.0 is exactly what I expect.
Where can I find the TODO list mentioned above?

I'll have a look to the OR Boss 2.0. I'm pretty interested in the IR and TCPIP protocols. Just have to find a way to install an IR on my iPhone

Thanks for the prompt answer.

In reply to a comment by Juha Lindfors:

Hello Nicolas,

Currently UI personalization is mainly in the OR Boss 2.0 – we're extending the KNX protocol support for different datatypes, please see here: Designer 2.0 - Create KNX Write Command

If you have needs for additional KNX protocol support (quite a bit is currently on the TODO list), let us know and we can prioritize.

We'll be looking at further UI customization for stand-alone KNX setup as well as time/resources permit.

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Re: OR Knx Interface design

2010-09-01T17:49:55Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

Hello Nicolas,

Currently UI personalization is mainly in the OR Boss 2.0 – we're extending the KNX protocol support for different datatypes, please see here: Designer 2.0 - Create KNX Write Command

If you have needs for additional KNX protocol support (quite a bit is currently on the TODO list), let us know and we can prioritize.

We'll be looking at further UI customization for stand-alone KNX setup as well as time/resources permit.

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L5 REMOTE

2010-09-01T16:51:05Z

Page added by kervy

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OR Knx 1.4.2 - Save & Restore

2010-09-01T13:41:35Z

Page added by Nicolas THIBERT

Hello,

I have a problem with the restoration function.
After choosing the file I want to restore, I always have the same error message, "file code error".
Same error with all the files.

Thanks,

Nicolas

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OR Knx Interface design

2010-09-01T13:36:16Z

Page added by Nicolas THIBERT

Hi all,

Everything works fine, congratulation for this nice application. However, if this standalone application is perfect for a knx service, the user interface is not exactly the nicest I have ever seen, and not very user friendly.
Is there a way to personalize the design, like an OR Boss 2.0?

Thanks in advance,

regards,

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Re: OR knx 1.4.2 and iOS4 on iPhone 3Gs and iPhone 4

2010-09-01T13:30:58Z

Page commented by Nicolas THIBERT

It works fine with my iPhone4

regards,

Nicolas

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Re: Some first time expirience

2010-08-31T08:18:46Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

I am guessing you're using one of the generic protocols (HTTP or TCP/IP) though? I haven't tried those yet.

Yes, I use TCP/IP. The strange thing is that the problem existed only the first time. After I loged in yesterday, everything works right now.

Can you expand what you mean by this? UTF-8 vs UTF-16, or something else?

I see you use UTF-8 in XMLs, however the Cyrillic characters don't encode right:
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<item name="???????">
<navigate toGroup="2" toScreen="16" />
<image src="field1283174837713.png" />
</item>
------

I think the problem is by saving the XML from the Designer. I will investigate this problem later today.

In reply to a comment by Juha Lindfors:

Hello Mihail,

Thanks for trying the new app, and sending the feedback.

The switch button behaves strange. When it's pressed for a first time it leads to a login screen, no matter what command is attached to it.

This sounds odd. Could be an issue still with the security settings in your Tomcat instance (why it falls back to login screen).

I've used switch with KNX, recorded it here: OpenRemote Boss 2.0 How To - KNX Switches. I am guessing you're using one of the generic protocols (HTTP or TCP/IP) though? I haven't tried those yet.

I'll release a new developer binary next couple of days, will look at the default security settings there.

The generated XML output is not unicode, which is a serous drawback.

Can you expand what you mean by this? UTF-8 vs UTF-16, or something else?

The created elements in the UI Designer and Building Modeller must be made reusable. Now you have to create a separate command and a separate sensor to each device. Now imagine you have 30-40 devices that are same model and only thing that differs is their address. Each of these devices have same commands, sensors, sliders, switches and so on. Why not just create one "device type" with parameters like "address" and others, and then just copy it or use it like a template to create devices of that type.

There's a lot more work on the tooling side that remains to be done. Expanding template functionality is one of them. Import for protocols that support discovery is another item.

In UI Designer the re-usability of images is also a drawback. Why you have to upload same image each time you use it in a control? You already have it on the server after the first upload. Just select it and use it. This will optimize the time of creating UI and also will minimize the bandwidth and the time to load the interface on the panels. Now every image you upload has a different name and is used just once in the UI, no matter if the same image is already there and already loaded.

Agreed. You may have noticed there are some fixed images from Beehive that you can choose from. This should eventually be expanded to manage user's own images as well.

I mention it before, but I do it here also: there is a lack on a fine positioning of the controls in the UI designer. I mean to say there must be positioning on a pixel level. Dragging with the mouse is not so accurate. A fields X, Y, Width, and Height will do the job perfect.

Yes. A current workaround is to create a grid and place your component there. You can position it with pixel accuracy and you can have multiple grids in your design.

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Re: Some first time expirience

2010-08-30T18:16:37Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

Hello Mihail,

Thanks for trying the new app, and sending the feedback.

The switch button behaves strange. When it's pressed for a first time it leads to a login screen, no matter what command is attached to it.

This sounds odd. Could be an issue still with the security settings in your Tomcat instance (why it falls back to login screen).

I've used switch with KNX, recorded it here: OpenRemote Boss 2.0 How To - KNX Switches. I am guessing you're using one of the generic protocols (HTTP or TCP/IP) though? I haven't tried those yet.

I'll release a new developer binary next couple of days, will look at the default security settings there.

The generated XML output is not unicode, which is a serous drawback.

Can you expand what you mean by this? UTF-8 vs UTF-16, or something else?

The created elements in the UI Designer and Building Modeller must be made reusable. Now you have to create a separate command and a separate sensor to each device. Now imagine you have 30-40 devices that are same model and only thing that differs is their address. Each of these devices have same commands, sensors, sliders, switches and so on. Why not just create one "device type" with parameters like "address" and others, and then just copy it or use it like a template to create devices of that type.

There's a lot more work on the tooling side that remains to be done. Expanding template functionality is one of them. Import for protocols that support discovery is another item.

In UI Designer the re-usability of images is also a drawback. Why you have to upload same image each time you use it in a control? You already have it on the server after the first upload. Just select it and use it. This will optimize the time of creating UI and also will minimize the bandwidth and the time to load the interface on the panels. Now every image you upload has a different name and is used just once in the UI, no matter if the same image is already there and already loaded.

Agreed. You may have noticed there are some fixed images from Beehive that you can choose from. This should eventually be expanded to manage user's own images as well.

I mention it before, but I do it here also: there is a lack on a fine positioning of the controls in the UI designer. I mean to say there must be positioning on a pixel level. Dragging with the mouse is not so accurate. A fields X, Y, Width, and Height will do the job perfect.

Yes. A current workaround is to create a grid and place your component there. You can position it with pixel accuracy and you can have multiple grids in your design.

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Some first time expirience

2010-08-30T14:23:49Z

Page added by Mihail Panayotov

Hi, finally I managed to run OR and right now I play with it, with a wide smile on my face Really great concept and really great realization! Thanks for this great software and thanks for making it Open Source. However I have some bug reports and toughs I want to share:

The switch button behaves strange. When it's pressed for a first time it leads to a login screen, no matter what command is attached to it.

The generated XML output is not unicode, which is a serous drawback.

The created elements in the UI Designer and Building Modeller must be made reusable. Now you have to create a separate command and a separate sensor to each device. Now imagine you have 30-40 devices that are same model and only thing that differs is their address. Each of these devices have same commands, sensors, sliders, switches and so on. Why not just create one "device type" with parameters like "address" and others, and then just copy it or use it like a template to create devices of that type.

In UI Designer the re-usability of images is also a drawback. Why you have to upload same image each time you use it in a control? You already have it on the server after the first upload. Just select it and use it. This will optimize the time of creating UI and also will minimize the bandwidth and the time to load the interface on the panels. Now every image you upload has a different name and is used just once in the UI, no matter if the same image is already there and already loaded.

I mention it before, but I do it here also: there is a lack on a fine positioning of the controls in the UI designer. I mean to say there must be positioning on a pixel level. Dragging with the mouse is not so accurate. A fields X, Y, Width, and Height will do the job perfect.

This are my thoughts after some play with OR and my custom hardware I made on a RS-485 bus. Right now the tests I made are simple - just turn ON and OFF a LED. I hope next week my modules will be completely ready and I could test OR with some sensors and more complex controls.

I really want to say it one more time - this is a great software and I'm sure it has a very bright future!

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Re: Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-30T13:21:16Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

P.S.2 IT WORKS! It's something with the SSL. When I turned it OFF, cleared the cache and restarted the console, everything worked like a charm.

P.S.3 There is a small problem in the default config of the Controller, at least by me. This is a different problem, I just want to mention it. The default "resource.path" parameter in /config/config.properties points to "../webapps/controller". I have to change it to the absolute path "/var/lib/tomcat6/webapps/controller" (I use Tomcat 6) in order to work right.

In reply to a comment by Mihail Panayotov:

Does the controller return the controller.xml normally through the HTTP/REST interface?
I don't see any REST/JSON API to return data from the controller.xml. This is the panel1 returned XML for example:

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<openremote xmlns="http://www.openremote.org" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:schemaLocation="http://www.openremote.org/panel.xsd">
<screens>
<screen id="3" name="Starting Screen" inverseScreenId="15">
<background relative="TOP_LEFT">
<image src="EVO20N1101282921919383.jpg"/>
</background>
<absolute left="52" top="195" width="142" height="104">
<button id="14" name="Button"/>
</absolute>
</screen>
<screen id="15" name="Starting Screen" landscape="true" inverseScreenId="3"/>
</screens>
<groups>
<group id="2" name="Default Group">
<tabbar/>
<include type="screen" ref="3"/>
<include type="screen" ref="15"/>
</group>
</groups>
</openremote>
-------------------------
Other REST commands also work as expected when typed in the browser directly.

Did you have an earlier version of OR console installed? - Yes, I had version 1.0, but it's gone now. I also had several versions of 2.0 console as I had several attempts to install it in different ways (via iTunes and SSH). Maybe something is left somewhere?

Have you cleared the content cache from settings? - Yes, several times. You speak about "Clear Image Cache" button in the settings of the iPhone console, right?

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P.S. When I Turn Off the SSL from the iPhone console's settings, I don't see the error anymore. However I see nothing more than a black screen with a blank tabbar in the bottom.

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Re: Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-30T13:04:56Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

Does the controller return the controller.xml normally through the HTTP/REST interface?
I don't see any REST/JSON API to return data from the controller.xml. This is the panel1 returned XML for example:

Did you have an earlier version of OR console installed? - Yes, I had version 1.0, but it's gone now. I also had several versions of 2.0 console as I had several attempts to install it in different ways (via iTunes and SSH). Maybe something is left somewhere?

Have you cleared the content cache from settings? - Yes, several times. You speak about "Clear Image Cache" button in the settings of the iPhone console, right?

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P.S. When I Turn Off the SSL from the iPhone console's settings, I don't see the error anymore. However I see nothing more than a black screen with a blank tabbar in the bottom.

In reply to a comment by Juha Lindfors:

Hmm, I remember seeing that once but can't remember what the cause was, as it went away with updates (the error message itself is useless to diagnose and needs to be fixed).

Does the controller return the controller.xml normally through the HTTP/REST interface?

Did you have an earlier version of OR console installed?

Have you cleared the content cache from settings?

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Re: Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-30T12:00:17Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

Hmm, I remember seeing that once but can't remember what the cause was, as it went away with updates (the error message itself is useless to diagnose and needs to be fixed).

Does the controller return the controller.xml normally through the HTTP/REST interface?

Did you have an earlier version of OR console installed?

Have you cleared the content cache from settings?

In reply to a comment by Mihail Panayotov:

It was Alpha 7 I think. I just updated to Alpha 9 (/tags/OpenRemote_Boss_2_0_0_Alpha6/Controller_2_0_0_Alpha9), but the problem stays.

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Re: Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-30T09:21:37Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

It was Alpha 7 I think. I just updated to Alpha 9 (/tags/OpenRemote_Boss_2_0_0_Alpha6/Controller_2_0_0_Alpha9), but the problem stays.

In reply to a comment by Administrator:

Which version of the controller are you using?

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Re: Help for an OR KNX early beginner

2010-08-30T06:05:26Z

Page commented by Nicolas THIBERT

Thanks, it works.
I'm able to access to the installation.
I made few tests, that's fun.
However, a strange bug I have to work on: While reconnecting to the bus with OR, most of the lights turn on, but not all, despite OR displays that they are turned off. It's a repeatable bug, so an explanation somewhere...

I need to introduce the dimmers. I did not find so far.

Thanks for your help.

Nicolas

In reply to a comment by Mathieu Gallissot:

You can use these tools for groupd address conversion :
http://sitelec.org/cours/abati/eib/download/eib_ad_gr_en.swf (eng)
http://sitelec.org/cours/abati/eib/download/eib_ad_gr.swf (fra)

Do you have the ETS database ? Is so, you can export group addresses in a csv format. Overwise, if the installation is made of Hager products, you may be able to recover group addresses and configuration using an E-Mode tool.

Mathieu

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Re: Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-27T22:31:19Z

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Which version of the controller are you using?

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Occured unknown error, status code is 0

2010-08-27T16:00:36Z

Page added by Mihail Panayotov

Hi, I try to run OpenRemote 2.0 and use it with iPhone console. I have successfully installed the controller and the console and have designed a very simple UI just for a test. The iPhone console discovers the controller and sees there is "panel1", but the screen stays black and an error occur: "Use Local Cache: Occured unknown error, status code is 0".

Do you have any idea what could be wrong?

This is the panel XML file:
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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<openremote xmlns="http://www.openremote.org" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.openremote.org http://www.openremote.org/schemas/panel.xsd">
<panels>
<panel id="1" name="panel1">
<include type="group" ref="2" />
</panel>
</panels>
<screens>
<screen id="3" name="Starting Screen" inverseScreenId="15">
<background relative="TOP_LEFT">
<image src="EVO20N1101282921919383.jpg" />
</background>
<absolute left="52" top="195" width="50" height="50">
<button id="14" name="Button" />
</absolute>
</screen>
<screen id="15" name="Starting Screen" landscape="true" inverseScreenId="3" />
</screens>
<groups>
<group id="2" name="Default Group">
<tabbar />
<include type="screen" ref="3" />
<include type="screen" ref="15" />
</group>
</groups>
</openremote>

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Re: Flukso - open source, open hardware metering

2010-08-26T21:28:28Z

Page commented by Administrator

Thanks for the pointer, Jerome.

Power metering is something we should address at some point. I've tentatively scheduled UI components that can deal with dynamic content such as graphs for OR 3.0 release.

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Flukso - open source, open hardware metering

2010-08-26T10:44:41Z

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http://www.flukso.net/

Can play nice in addition of OR, for monitoring energy consumption.

One could even envisage to host a flukso server (Drupal-based, that serves the graphs) and database (rrdtool based) on the ORB, in order not to leak data to a third party site.

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-26T10:39:58Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

Yep. That's what I mean. We need to strip away the notion that we're building an app that runs inside a web browser and rather use HTML+CSS+JS as a generic app framework for defining client user interfaces.

Wow, typing that was a flash back to year 2000 – but maybe we'll get there during this decade?

In reply to a comment by Jerome Velociter:

Sencha failed to hide these browser UI components and I'd estimate that it wastes at least 15% of the screen space in that case. That's a quite a lot on a small screen.

Hopefully, someday we should see fullscreen API coming to browsers (e.g. see the plan for firefox : https://wiki.mozilla.org/Gecko:FullScreenAPI). But we are not there yet. Maybe mobile browsers will implement auto-hide of the all the UI chrome "a la Fennec" before that happens.

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-26T10:15:40Z

Page commented by Jerome Velociter

Sencha failed to hide these browser UI components and I'd estimate that it wastes at least 15% of the screen space in that case. That's a quite a lot on a small screen.

In reply to a comment by Administrator:

Hi guys,

Thanks for posting the links.

jQuery Mobile and GWT mobile looked pretty raw so I didn't give them a try. Sencha seemed more complete with demos online so gave it a quick try.

Sencha seems to work quite well on iPad's large screen. It's quite impressive in demonstrating how far HTML5 can go in creating form-derived applications with drag-and-drop.

Sencha on smaller screens was less impressive. Most of the demos seem to be optimized for iPad's large screen for a reason. One problem with iPod Touch mobile browser was indeed not that the app is built with HTML5 but that it needs to run on a generic web browser platform. The browser navigation controls and URL bar take large amounts of screen space that is completely wasted on a dedicated application that has no use for them. Sencha failed to hide these browser UI components and I'd estimate that it wastes at least 15% of the screen space in that case. That's a quite a lot on a small screen. While iPad does the same, you don't really notice it on the large screen (the wasted space is a lot smaller % of the total).

Some of the UI widgets that did work on iTouch were quite nice. But mostly the demos are optimized for iPad.

I could not get the demos to work on Google G1 with Android 1.5 at all – neither on its native browser or on Opera Mini. Opera Mini on iPod Touch did not work for me either. That puts quite a dent on the cross-platform claims. Couldn't see any specific mentions if a specific Android version was a requirement.

So Sencha today seems to work for Apple devices mostly and on the small screen is not as good as a native app. On the larger iPad screen the apps are quite cool but ultimately any mobile web framework needs to win cooperation from the web browser platform which today are not geared towards the idea of stand-alone apps. I am guessing this is what Google is tackling with their Chrome Os and Chrome Web Store efforts. The other factor that may become an issue is the limitations generic browsers put on integrating with the rest of the app or device platform functionality. This is less of an issue on Apple platforms (there's little to no integration, period) but could be a bigger issue on Android OS.

So there's still some ways to go – we'll see HTML5 apps on desktop browser first before on mobile, is my guess.

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-26T10:04:52Z

Page commented by Juha Lindfors

Sencha is a WebKit based HTML5/JavaScript framework, so it will never run on Opera or OperaMini (it uses Presto engine, not WebKit). It will run on Safari, Chrome, iOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) and Android OS.

Fair enough. That doesn't give me the cross-platform support that I was expecting though. The current OpenRemote Mobile web app is intended to expand on mobile platforms beyond Android and iOS, so Sencha seems like not the right choice then.

I'm not so sure on that. By now mobile browsers have much more HTML5 support that the desktop ones. Especially the WebKit engine. Apple loves HTML5 and will continue integrate it in their products as a weapon against Adobe Flash

My point wasn't that HTML5 itself is not coming in the future, but that the browser platform is not very good at the moment for stand-alone app hosting. It's less of an issue on larger screen (iPad was fine) but the short-coming was clear on smaller iPod Touch screen. And therefore my reference to Chrome OS which seems to want to tackle this issue, albeit still for larger screen hardware – HTML5 engine needs to be an app platform component; currently the paradigm is forcing app developers to battle the fully-featured web browser application that gets in their way.

So it's not a generic replacement for stand-alone apps on small devices yet. We'll see some apps that fits within the limits and more so on devices with larger screens (10" and above).

In reply to a comment by Mihail Panayotov:

Hi, I'm glad you find this helpful.

I have just a few notes on your post:

Sencha is a WebKit based HTML5/JavaScript framework, so it will never run on Opera or OperaMini (it uses Presto engine, not WebKit). It will run on Safari, Chrome, iOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) and Android OS.

Android 1.5 is very old and I think the recent versions of Android have very strong HTML5 and JavaScript support. Google even announced their engine as the fastest engine when it comes to JavaScript rendering.

"So there's still some ways to go - we'll see HTML5 apps on desktop browser first before on mobile, is my guess."

I'm not so sure on that. By now mobile browsers have much more HTML5 support than the desktop ones. Especially the WebKit engine. Apple loves HTML5 and will continue integrate it in their products as a weapon against Adobe Flash

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-26T09:57:17Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

Hi, I'm glad you find this helpful.

I have just a few notes on your post:

Sencha is a WebKit based HTML5/JavaScript framework, so it will never run on Opera or OperaMini (it uses Presto engine, not WebKit). It will run on Safari, Chrome, iOS (iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad) and Android OS.

Android 1.5 is very old and I think the recent versions of Android have very strong HTML5 and JavaScript support. Google even announced their engine as the fastest engine when it comes to JavaScript rendering.

"So there's still some ways to go - we'll see HTML5 apps on desktop browser first before on mobile, is my guess."

I'm not so sure on that. By now mobile browsers have much more HTML5 support than the desktop ones. Especially the WebKit engine. Apple loves HTML5 and will continue integrate it in their products as a weapon against Adobe Flash

In reply to a comment by Administrator:

Hi guys,

Thanks for posting the links.

jQuery Mobile and GWT mobile looked pretty raw so I didn't give them a try. Sencha seemed more complete with demos online so gave it a quick try.

Sencha seems to work quite well on iPad's large screen. It's quite impressive in demonstrating how far HTML5 can go in creating form-derived applications with drag-and-drop.

Some of the UI widgets that did work on iTouch were quite nice. But mostly the demos are optimized for iPad.

So there's still some ways to go – we'll see HTML5 apps on desktop browser first before on mobile, is my guess.

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-26T09:28:05Z

Page commented by Administrator

Hi guys,

Thanks for posting the links.

jQuery Mobile and GWT mobile looked pretty raw so I didn't give them a try. Sencha seemed more complete with demos online so gave it a quick try.

Sencha seems to work quite well on iPad's large screen. It's quite impressive in demonstrating how far HTML5 can go in creating form-derived applications with drag-and-drop.

Some of the UI widgets that did work on iTouch were quite nice. But mostly the demos are optimized for iPad.

So there's still some ways to go – we'll see HTML5 apps on desktop browser first before on mobile, is my guess.

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Re: adding new protocol

2010-08-27T07:48:57Z

Page commented by Administrator

Recapped most of this discussion in:

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-20T13:28:56Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

jQuery mobile looks really beautiful and already covers all major mobile platforms, not only WebKit based, which is awesome! I think OpenRemote could gain great benefits choosing one of these frameworks and building just one general web-based client (console) that runs on all mobile browsers, without installing anything on the mobile devices and without waiting for app approvals.

In reply to a comment by Jerome Velociter:

There is jQuery mobile, too http://blog.jquery.com/2010/08/13/the-jquery-project-is-proud-to-announce-the-jquery-mobile-project/ (announced last week)

GWT Mobile WebKit might worth a look as well http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-20T13:17:56Z

Page commented by Jerome Velociter

There is jQuery mobile, too http://blog.jquery.com/2010/08/13/the-jquery-project-is-proud-to-announce-the-jquery-mobile-project/ (announced last week)

GWT Mobile WebKit might worth a look as well http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/

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Re: Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-20T13:09:37Z

Page commented by Mihail Panayotov

I forgot to give a URL (http://www.sencha.com/products/touch/), but you could google it anyway

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Sencha Touch - new interesting HTML5 framework

2010-08-20T13:08:20Z

Page added by Mihail Panayotov

Hi, I used to work with ExtJS some time ago and today I decided to check out what's new on that great framework. And I found great news - they renamed to "Sencha" and have one new great product - Sencha Touch. This is "The First HTML5 Mobile App Framework" as they say. In fact it's not the first, but as far as I see is the most powerful HTML5/JavaScript framework out there, especially made for touch screens.

I post this here just to let you know about that in case you have interest. I think it's a way to increase productivity and build just one client that runs both on iOS and Android devices (and probably more platforms are coming soon) and looks and feels natively.

Just my 2 cents

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Re: Iphone and Knx

2010-08-19T07:03:22Z

Page commented by Marcus Redeker

ETS import is not available yet.

You can look at the documentation on the OpenRemote website.

In reply to a comment by Vidar:

Alright, so I finally have the new Siemens N 146/02 IP Router installed and connected to the KNX system.
The KNX system is also up and running, basically controlling lighting and heating, including scenarios etc.
I have also downloaded the full version of the OR KNX software.

The problem, or challenge, is programming the iphone. I can not find any nice tutorials on the website.
Is there any way I can import all the information about group adresses etc from the ETS library?

Where would you recomend beginners to start?

Thanks,

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Re: Iphone and Knx

2010-08-18T21:22:41Z

Page commented by Vidar

Where would you recomend beginners to start?

Thanks,

In reply to a comment by Marcus Redeker:

The enertex one looks like the new one.

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Re: Controller deployment question?

2010-08-18T10:29:41Z

Page commented by Administrator

We already discussed this but just to clear it up for others who might come across and read this...

Only Tomcat is needed. The Web archive should be deployable on JBoss as well but at the moment there seems to be an issue with how the downloaded openremote.zip is handled (my quick guess without investigating further is that extracting the file behaves differently with Tomcat vs. JBoss – which is not entirely unexpected, a portable Java WAR should not rely on file system details, as per the JavaEE specs).

The JBoss deployment should be investigated but for the moment Tomcat is what is being used.

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Controller deployment question?

2010-08-17T10:29:58Z

Page added by Roman Pavlovic

Hello,
I have checked out OpenRemote_Boss_2_0_0_Alpha5 code from SVN and successfully built Controller_2_0_0_Alpha8 code using Eclipse. Then, when I wanted to deploy WAR to server I got confused. Which server should I use, Tomcat or JBoss? This confusion is caused by two things:

1. Why are both Tomcat and JBoss required?

II. Requirements
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The "Controller" requires this 3rd party software:
1) JBoss 4.2.3 GA or above, Tomcat 5.5.26 or above
2) Java 1.5 or above
3) Ant 1.7.1 or above
4) openremote.zip, downloaded from Modeler(UI composer), containing following files:

2. Controller is deployed on JBoss server but home and config directories are set to Tomcat. This is from build.properties:
tomcatconfig.dir=D:/apache-tomcat-5.5.26/config
tomcatlog.dir=D:/apache-tomcat-5.5.26/log
tomcat.home=D:/apache-tomcat-5.5.26
deploy.dir=D:/jboss-4.2.3.GA/server/default/deploy

When controller is deployed to Tomcat it works as expected. On the other hand, when deployed to JBoss error occurs (this happens when controller configuration is updated):

Log message:
15:55:45,023 INFO [STDOUT] org.xml.sax.SAXParseException: schema_reference.4:
Failed to read schema document
'C:\JBoss\jboss-6.0.0.20100721-M4\server\default\deploy\controller.war\WEB-INF\classes\controller-2.0-M7.xsd',
because 1) could not find the document; 2) the document could not be read; 3)
the root element of the document is not <xsd:schema>.

Best regards,
Roman

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